Stoopz wrote:JesseC wrote:Stoopz wrote:Opps....they could use any materials they want and these would still suck. They only removed a couple of panels on these things, but they just look silly to me.
Sometimes Vans can only be appreciated by people who know how they work with a skatebaord.
These are a SKATE shoe like most other Vans, and as far as shape and build, these are great.
Vans shouldn't EVER be judged in a fashion sense when it's a shoe with a pro's name on it.
Just my two cents.
Listen kid, I don't know if you really meant to insult me like that, but you might as well have come up and kicked me directly in the balls.
I don't know you and you don't know me, but I'd be willing to guess that since I've been skating since 89' that I've got a few years on your opinion.
All fucking shoes are skate shoes and it doesn't mean a god damn thing how they are engineered or what they say they are made for. If Vans only made shoes that were for just for skateboarding they'd be broke by now. My personal preference for skate shoes has gone from slip ons with no soles, to DC's that were the size of workboots, and back 360 again.
My intension was not to offend when I shared my opinion, it was mearly to express that I think these look like shit...which would result in me not buying them. The could be the end all of skateboarding or fashion shoes and it wouldn't change my mind on that.
Hahaha Stoopz, I don't mean any disrespect to you, skating since '89 is respectable, I wish I had the chance to have started then and to have been in it for so long. I didn't really think you skated though, and your comment just seemed to me like the typical swag-fool judgement of a Vans shoe, ya know, how they go into talking about how gay a shoe is for their swag when it was meant to be shredded. I know it's wrong of me to assume, but on the forums about shoes, I tend to assume. I understand that skate shoes still get judged, even by skaters, for their looks, and I do it too.
I definitely disagree with you about the engineering though. You don't understand how thoroughly I study the wear of skate shoes, and the things that affect them most. All shoes become the same eventually, or rip in similar ways, but the progression of the damage is different for them all. With Gravis Dylan's, Vans, Fallen's, Lakai cupsoles, ridiculous DC's, I have done single tricks, then removed the shoe to see what happened. I mean, I am just shy of an expert when it comes to this, and I believe that a skate shoe's engineering means a lot. So when people seem to disregard that, I just facepalm so hard. I'm sure you, as a skateboarder, understand where I'm coming from.
I don't have any problem with non skaters rocking Vans because like you said, there's tons out there from them that were made more for casual wear, so I hope I'm not sending that message. I just hate that are kids obsessed with swag, because they give stupid people the idea that that's all Vans are for (at least on internet forums).
Stoopz, your comment just seemed to encompas the shallow opinions of a typical hypebeast. I stand by my statement, but even when I first posted it, it was more of a general address to pure hypebeasts, not specifically to you.
